diff --git a/notes.md b/notes.md
index a455cacb..6c511505 100644
--- a/notes.md
+++ b/notes.md
@@ -3,8 +3,6 @@
 ## 2.4 roadmap
 * `laser`
 * - drag knife support
-* `all`
-* - circular fit/layout when no-layout to prevent collisions
 
 ## 2.5 roadmap
 # `cnc`
@@ -12,6 +10,7 @@
 # - complex process order
 # - split gcode output
 # - double-sided assistance
+# - redo path planning
 # `fdm`
 # - redo automatic supports using faces instead of deltas
 # - bind process to z ranges or boxed regions
@@ -89,6 +88,7 @@
 * `F` A-B linked cutting profiles for double-sided milling / part flips
 * `P` crossing open space check point is outside camshell before returning max z
 * `P` detect render message backlog and pause or warn
+* `P` redo all path route / planning in prepare to account for terrain before camOut
 
 # Laser
 
diff --git a/src/geo/bounds.js b/src/geo/bounds.js
index a89ecc4b..f4f06ad8 100644
--- a/src/geo/bounds.js
+++ b/src/geo/bounds.js
@@ -15,7 +15,6 @@
         this.miny = 10e7;
         this.maxx = -10e7;
         this.maxy = -10e7;
-        this.leftMost = null;
     }
 
     const BASE = self.base,
@@ -30,6 +29,14 @@
      * Bounds Prototype Functions
      ******************************************************************* */
 
+     PRO.set = function(minx, maxx, miny, maxy) {
+         this.minx = minx;
+         this.miny = miny;
+         this.maxx = maxx;
+         this.maxy = maxy;
+         return this;
+     };
+
     /**
      * @returns {Bounds}
      */
@@ -59,6 +66,7 @@
         this.maxx = Math.max(this.maxx, b.maxx);
         this.miny = Math.min(this.miny, b.miny);
         this.maxy = Math.max(this.maxy, b.maxy);
+        return this;
     };
 
     /**
@@ -69,7 +77,7 @@
         this.maxx = Math.max(this.maxx, p.x);
         this.miny = Math.min(this.miny, p.y);
         this.maxy = Math.max(this.maxy, p.y);
-        if (this.minx === p.x) this.leftMost = p;
+        return this;
     };
 
     PRO.contains = function(bounds) {
diff --git a/src/kiri/main.js b/src/kiri/main.js
index 7fbca0af..10b21adc 100644
--- a/src/kiri/main.js
+++ b/src/kiri/main.js
@@ -1401,11 +1401,48 @@
         }
         if (!grouping) {
             platformGroupDone();
+            if (!settings.controller.autoLayout) {
+                positionNewWidget(widget);
+            }
         } else if (feature.drop_layout) {
             platform.layout();
         }
     }
 
+    function positionNewWidget(widget) {
+        if (WIDGETS.length <= 1) return;
+        let DEG2RAD = Math.PI / 180;
+        let { bedWidth, bedDepth } = settings.device;
+        let devOff = bedWidth / 2;
+        let wbb = widget.getBoundingBox();
+        let dim = { x: wbb.max.x - wbb.min.x, y: wbb.max.y - wbb.min.y };
+        let hdim = { x: dim.x / 2, y: dim.y / 2 };
+        let bounds = BASE.newBounds(), target = BASE.newBounds();
+        // look for best position for new widget that doesn't collide
+        outer: for (let rad=10; rad<200; rad += 10) {
+            inner: for (let d=0; d<360; d += 1) {
+                let dx = Math.cos(d * DEG2RAD) * rad;
+                let dy = Math.sin(d * DEG2RAD) * rad;
+                bounds.set(dx - hdim.x, dx + hdim.x, dy - hdim.y, dy + hdim.y);
+                for (let w=0, wl=WIDGETS.length; w<wl; w++) {
+                    let wt = WIDGETS[w];
+                    if (wt === widget) {
+                        continue;
+                    }
+                    let tpo = wt.track.pos;
+                    let tbb = wt.getBoundingBox();
+                    let dim = { x: (tbb.max.x - tbb.min.x) / 2, y : (tbb.max.y - tbb.min.y) / 2 };
+                    target.set(tpo.x - dim.x, tpo.x + dim.x, tpo.y - dim.y, tpo.y + dim.y);
+                    if (target.overlaps(bounds, 5)) {
+                        continue inner;
+                    }
+                }
+                widget._move(dx, dy, widget.track.pos.z, true);
+                break outer;
+            }
+        }
+    }
+
     function platformDelete(widget) {
         if (!widget) {
             return;