diff --git a/src/kiri/mode/cam/op-area.js b/src/kiri/mode/cam/op-area.js
index ed80252e..ee274dd0 100644
--- a/src/kiri/mode/cam/op-area.js
+++ b/src/kiri/mode/cam/op-area.js
@@ -76,7 +76,9 @@ class OpArea extends CamOp {
             let poly = newPolygon().fromArray(arr);
             aminz = Math.min(aminz, poly.minZ());
             polys.push(poly);
-            if (axisIndex) {
+            // user-selected traces are not rotated
+            // those based on shadow (outline, rough) are
+            if (!op.rotated && axisIndex) {
                 // traces come from unrotatead widget edges
                 poly.applyRotations(axisIndex);
             }
diff --git a/src/kiri/mode/cam/op-outline.js b/src/kiri/mode/cam/op-outline.js
index 1d995719..19c17fb2 100644
--- a/src/kiri/mode/cam/op-outline.js
+++ b/src/kiri/mode/cam/op-outline.js
@@ -39,6 +39,7 @@ class OpOutline extends CamOp {
                 rate,
                 rename: rename ?? "outline",
                 revbones,
+                rotated: true,
                 smooth: 0,
                 spindle,
                 steps: op.wide ? op.steps + 1 : 1,
@@ -66,6 +67,7 @@ class OpOutline extends CamOp {
                 rate,
                 rename: rename ?? "outline",
                 revbones,
+                rotated: true,
                 smooth: 0,
                 spindle,
                 surfaces: {},
diff --git a/src/kiri/mode/cam/op-rough.js b/src/kiri/mode/cam/op-rough.js
index 8a1800bc..153a206c 100644
--- a/src/kiri/mode/cam/op-rough.js
+++ b/src/kiri/mode/cam/op-rough.js
@@ -48,6 +48,7 @@ class OpRough extends CamOp {
             leave_z: op.leavez,
             ov_botz: op.ov_botz,
             ov_topz: op.ov_topz,
+            rotated: true,
             areas: { [widget.id]: areas.map(p => p.toArray()) },
             surfaces: {}
         }));
@@ -72,6 +73,7 @@ class OpRough extends CamOp {
                 leave_z: op.leavez,
                 ov_botz: op.ov_botz,
                 ov_topz: op.ov_topz,
+                rotated: true,
                 areas: { [widget.id]: areas.map(p => p.toArray()) },
                 surfaces: {},
                 flats: Object.keys(slicer.zFlat).map(v => parseFloat(v)).sort((a,b) => b-a),
@@ -96,6 +98,7 @@ class OpRough extends CamOp {
                 outline: !op.omitthru,
                 ov_botz: op.ov_botz,
                 ov_topz: op.ov_topz,
+                rotated: true,
                 areas: { [widget.id]: areas.map(p => p.toArray()) },
                 surfaces: {},
                 thru: true